Sacrifices are mysterious things, however, and how and why they work rests entirely in the mind of God — they’re nonsensical in other words — so the question of why Jesus’ sacrifice can save people from hell cannot be answered. 1:3-14, John 6:65, Acts 13:48), when disasters occur in cities (Amos 3:6), the exact time when each individual person will die (Job 14:5), what each person does in their life (Prov. Loving only His children Does God control everything? Here is the best closing statement I have ever heard on God’s sovereignty in salvation. According to Calvin (and I would say Scripture), everything that happens occurs because God has specifically ordained it to occur, either causing it to happen directly or allowing it to happen (as in the case of sin) for the purposes of His ultimate glorification. To say there is no God, or that God does not care or stands helpless on the sidelines, leads to fatalism and despair. Although some view a sovereign God as too threatening and humbling, the alternatives are far more discouraging. From the unified, transcendental perspective, God is everything and controls everything. Publisher: Reformation Trust Publishing Author: R. C. Sproul Description. I dont think God is controlling everything actively in everyone’s life. And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father” (Matthew 10:29). 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. In this booklet, Dr. R.C. It was God ordained that David commit that action, and He either caused Satan to tempt David so that he would do what God wanted (I think it is fair to assume that God directly caused Satan to do this because 2 Sam. He clearly shows, irrefutably, that God does indeed control everything. Working all things to His Glory “The Lord works out everything for His own ends, even the wicked for a day of disaster” (Proverbs 16:33; Ephesians 1:11). I know that not all people get saved, but God wants all people to be saved. I denied the doctrine of election. God is in control. All honor,power, and glory being to Him alone. 2. (Actually that would mean people elect God), Before you respond to me, please watch the previous video I posted above from James White(if you haven’t already). Unwilling and unable to turn to Jesus. Faith isn’t what we add to the process of our salvation but, rather, is something that God has given as a gift to us. Jehovah made everything to play its part, and even a wrongdoer for a day of disaster. PLUS — AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT — THERE IS a difference of intepretation between portions of the Old Testament and Jesus on the matter of how God uses the rain and the sun. So, each person is not righteous, does not understand, does not seek God, does not do good, and is considered morally worthless; and, whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. Pingback: God and His World | WisdomForLife, Pingback: Top 15 Countries & 15 Posts « WisdomForLife. If God’s hand WAS controlling everything, then he did all the good and all the bad, and can have fun being mad at himself if he is Just. “It seems to me that even the fact that God merely knows what will happen makes God the deciding factor in the person’s salvation anyways.”. Your ongoing, tax-deductible monthly gifts allow Wretched TV and Radio to reach millions of people around the globe. (Romans 14:23). To guide, to lead, to comfort, to correct, to intercede, and to guide. According to Jesus, if the birds are fed, it is the Father who feeds them; if the flowers grow, it is because God grows them. The New Testament writers assure us that our Father does indeed have everything under control in our lives. http://truthmagazine.com/archives/volume31/GOT031014.html. So you are telling me..He permits and wills things He sent His son to destroy??? And God is perfect love. If he punished Jesus for everyone’s crime, then God’s wrath has been satisfied for everyone, and therefore, it cannot be poured out on anyone. Save more when you purchase five or ten copies of Does God Control Everything?. We are created in the image and likeness of God. Today, by God’s grace, I see the doctrine of election as one of the most humbling doctrines in all of Scripture. It works this way, because if it didn’t no one could say that Christ died on their behalf. The Bible says that “He is before all things, and in him all things hold together” (Colossians 1:17). If he punished Jesus for everyone’s crime, then God’s wrath has been satisfied for everyone, and therefore, it cannot be poured out on anyone. Based on that appeal the Father forgave the debt (yes, of everyone) but only those who make the proper response will keep that forgiveness and the rest will be UNFORGIVEN. The most obvious way to do this is for the worshiper to CONSUME the sacrifice. Are we Jews any better off? How many of you believe this?? If God’s wrath was poured out and satisfied on Christ for a person, then it cannot be poured out again because that would imply that it was not satisfied the first time. Just with the wicked… aha, you deserve hell God was still behind that because He had a reason for David’s action. It makes no sense for a judge to tell a person that their fine/penalty has been paid, but they must pay it again. Does He care about the little things, too? Most people today believe that we live in a closed, mechanistic universe, that is, a universe that functions from day to day according to certain physical forces and causes. I am being completely honest, and without a commitment to my persuasion for the sake of pride or anything like that. Calvinists view God’s sovereignty as being ‘controlling’ instead of being in control. But people then assume that since He is that powerful, then He would control everything. It’s arrogant, he says, to think you’re in control. We cannot do this without your support. According to Scripture, God is the superior or supreme being. “I say to you,” Jesus declared, “that every careless word that men shall speak, they shall render account for in the day of judgment” (Matthew 12:36). 4.7 • 6 Ratings; Publisher Description. Does that mean we are omnisicent because we were created in God’s image? God does exactly what He wants with every person, so that His plans would be fulfilled. As the Westminster Confession states: “God the great Creator of all things upholds, directs, disposes, and governs all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by his most wise and holy providence, according to his infallible foreknowledge, and the free and immutable counsel of his own will, to the praise of the glory of his wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy.”. Biblical Christianity has taken a very different view, teaching that God, not fate or free will, is the primary cause of what is and what happens. Everything that God does for us, he does for our own good. That is, the Sovereign frankly forgave a servant a huge debt, but the servant instead of forgiving his fellow servants went and choked them saying ‘pay me now’ and this made the Sovereign mad, so he unforgave the man and put him in debtor’s prison! Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus paid our debt. Is there injustice on God’s part? Pick a God who is in control and Almighty! For the first man fell You need a more convincing argument than that. the chief of his creatures [Adam] to be! What then? and none can stay his hand see: https://thinkpoint.wordpress.com/2007/07/06/look-into-gods-heart-his-dispositional-will/. no one understands; God is in control of everything! Others reason, “If God has control over everything that happens — is he not a cosmic puppeteer pulling our strings when he wants us to dance?” This is not the way the Bible describes God. In Matthew 18, he speaks of it being “FRANKLY FORGIVEN” — that is, being dismissed without being paid. http://www.gregboyd.org/essays/essays-predestination-free-will/how-do-you-respond-to-romans-9/. My story is similar to John Piper’s: http://bloodtippedears.blogspot.com/2007/12/john-piper-free-will.html I hope you took the time to watch the 3 videos I posted. Stream below or “Add to cart” to download for free. and the good of His beloved, Isaiah 40:15, 17, 18, 25, 26 If it was paid, then it just cannot be paid again. Yet while God controls those circumstances but does not control us. From the farthest galaxy to the smallest sub-atomic particle, God created absolutely everything in the universe—including you and me. And Calvin himself said, “By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which He determined with Himself whatever He wished to happen with regard to every man.” (and this was not meant as simply referring to salvation itself), The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary Abstract Principles also contain the historic teaching of Calvin: “God from eternity, decrees or permits all things that come to pass, and perpetually upholds, directs and governs all creatures and all events; yet so as not in any wise to be the author or approver of sin nor to destroy the free will and responsibility of intelligent creatures.”, Belgic Confession article 13: “We believe that this good God, after he created all things, did not abandon them to chance or fortune but leads and governs them according to his holy will, in such a way that nothing happens in this world without his orderly arrangement. We have freedom to do what we want to do…and what we want to do is determined by our nature….And by our nature, we are dead in our sin (Eph 2:1). Keller provides a clear, straightforward explanation of how we can have free will and that does not conflict with God… Format: Add to Cart. Jesus died on the cross for everyone. Was Jesus Only Mentioned in the New Testament. Well, it’s late and I probably will not be back on here until Saturday or Sunday. The author is refuting a different author than Greg Boyd, but the ideas presented are the same: Your interpretation makes God’s mind into mushy nonsense. Is God Really in Control of Everything? Since God owns everything, it is not sinful for him to take a life or destroy something. If Jesus died for everyone, no one would go to hell. Matt. David, I hope you would read it in its entirety. Regarding the truth magazine article you sent, I would have to agree that these verses cannot be said to conclusively prove the doctrine of total depravity (or total inability as it is also known), but I wouldn’t necessarily appeal to these verses to teach this doctrine to someone in the first place. Secondly, such are figures of speech. Pingback: My top 10 posts « Wisdom for Life, Nowhere in the Bible do we see that God loves the reprobate, in fact there is quite a lot of evidence of the contrary. And without faith, nothing we do can be considered free of sin, or good. The Calvinist will have to tell us this is all “accommodative language, fitted to our imbecility” — perhaps its the other way around, when God is said to know everything, isn’t that the “accommodative language”? and his kingdom endures from generation to generation; Thank you. predestination of God, and dragged his posterity headlong after him. You see if God was in control of everything then His will would always be done. All powerful Yet it is certain that he so judged because he saw And this is It rains — water collects in rivers and ponds — it evaporates because of the heat of the sun — it condenses in the atmosphere — it rains again. http://bloodtippedears.blogspot.com/2008/05/james-white-who-controls-salvation-man.html, Josh, you said: “If Jesus died for everyone, no one would go to hell.”. Having become fully convinced that the Bible does teach God’s sovereignty in all things, I have no problem discussing it! Primarily because Calvinists love to play word games, and whenever anyone dissents from their absurd views, they say “So you deny God is sovereign?” They make their entire system to rest on the abuse of one word, so don’t deny that this is indeed the issue. BUT, God who is rich in mercy and grace, CHOSE to save. 2 Peter was written to Christians, and so to say that God is waiting for all people in the world to come to repentence, he would be waiting a really long time to send his Son again. 1:9-10) Just to name a few. That means your divorce, your affair, your lapse of judgment, your squandered opportunities, your failed business venture, your bankruptcy, your poor choices—these do not loosen God’s … (Romans 3:9-12), “Whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.” because the Lord had judged it to be expedient; why he so judged is I am not arguing for Greg Boyd’s views as a whole. “”Again they object: were they not previously predestined by God’s This seems pretty obvious, the problem is that there are plenty of people out there who will argue that it is always done. The author writes well in an interesting and factually correct way. The situation with His elect is different, He loves them unconditionnally because of His grace and even though He sometimes punishes them they are always loved by Him, they are His children. Nothing you have said is offensive in the least! If you are to be a light to the nations as God’s covenant people, then you also have to be a recipient of the covenant benefits, which includes salvation. Indeed, God is so confident in his sovereignty that he does not need to micromanage everything. What is the relationship between God’s sovereignty and our free will? that thereby the glory of his name is duly revealed.” (3:23.8)”. However, only if God’s wrath was not satisfied for certain people, would he be able to pour it out on those people. Its incompatible with Arminianism and Calvinism and every other understanding of Christianity! God Would Rather Pour Out Mercy Than Wrath – The Analogy of Scripture Part II, Early Warning Signs of Adult Onset Cage Stage, The Necessity of Proper Foot Notes and Translations to Hold to The Original inspired Message of The Bible. The dictionary and theological definition is that God is immensely powerful. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. Prov. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! says that God directly incited David to take the census, which occurred through the avenue of Satan’s tempting). I wouldn’t want to worship that God. “And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed” (Acts 13:48). John 8:34 teaches that we are slaves to sin. You say that our choice to receive Christ is preceded by God’s choice of our salvation. 16:33), who will receive salvation (Rom. Yet God is not the author of, nor can he be charged with, the sin that occurs. On the one hand, it was the usual fare we have come to expect in some circles. Great post! I was in your shoes not too many years ago. For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14). Most people today believe that we live in a closed, mechanistic universe, that is, a universe that functions from day to day according to certain physical forces and causes. Does God Control Everything? 2:14 teaches that the natural man cannot understand spiritual things, they are foolishness to him. 14 What shall we say then? A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit (Matt 12:33). It should draw us to worship our great God. ( Log Out /  When calamity strikes we must remember that God is allowing that to happen. In God’s omniscience, he knows who will do so, but he does not in any way choose, designate or assign who will do so. If He knows, then He could make everyone in a way that they would choose to follow Him. “God can and does predetermine and foreknow whatever he wants to about the future. Science has explained it all as a natural phenomenon subject to the laws of physics. “God would be unjust if he punished for the same crime twice. The God I read in the Bible is love. The punishment you supposedly deserve isn’t even crucifixion to begin with but hell, and therefore his crucifixion as an execution swap wouldn’t even work! 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”. ( Log Out /  In that same parable, he speaks of the Sovereign’s ability to UNFORGIVE the debt if the forgiven person does not make the proper response to his forgivenness. and some people are made for salvation by grace. God Is In Control of Everything and Allows Everything That Happens – Including Calamities. God did not chose to save everyone. According to Scripture, our decisions constitute real causes that produce real effects — for which we will be held accountable. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. 14, 16, 27; cf. acceptance is not the same as causing. “… I am God, and there is no one like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things which have not been done. Enter your email address to follow this blog. https://thinkpoint.wordpress.com/2007/07/06/look-into-gods-heart-his-dispositional-will/, http://bloodtippedears.blogspot.com/2007/12/john-piper-free-will.html, http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/conference-messages/is-god-less-glorious-because-he-ordained-that-evil-be, http://www.reformedliterature.com/packer-arminianisms.php, http://thebereanway.wordpress.com/calvinism-discussion/, Top 15 Countries & 15 Posts « WisdomForLife. I have got study and so i am confident that i am going to likely to read once again once more down the road. God sets the circumstances of our lives and so influences things that our choices are made in accordance with his plans. Do you believe that God is the ultimate and final power over all things? If one truly wants the truth he will eventually have to put his emotions in the back seat and allow the scriptures to speak for themselves. Most people today believe that we live in a closed, mechanistic universe, that is, a universe that functions from day to day according to certain physical forces and causes. The wise teacher wrote, “The conclusion, when all has been heard, is fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. 2.) Jesus presents a more scientific view of the sun and rain, even if he still uses poetic hyberole, and in doing this he has sanctified our progression to a more scientific view of the same. He could if he wanted to, but this would demean his sovereignty. We tend to use one to diminish the other; we tend to emphasize one at the expense of the other. Arminianism treats our Lord’s parable of the Supper to which further guests were invited in place of those who never came (Luke 14:16-24; cf. Briefly, as the number of key authorities increased, so did the spread of authority and responsibility. We all deserve hell. He sure has a way with words! The doctrine of sovereignty is that God is in control of everything. “The issue is not whether anyone thinks Calvinists have perverted the word sovereign or not” — yes it is. You show me in your own words where the Bible teaches libertarian free-will? Yet the fact remains that Biblically he is a sacrifice and a sacrifice must be accepted somehow. Now I have brought it to pass …” (II Kings 19:25). The entire chapter of Romans 9 teaches us about unconditional election; Verse 10, “…when Rebecca had concieved children by one man, our forefather Isacc, 11)though the twins were not yet born and had done nothing neither good or bad- IN ORDER THAT GOD’S PURPOSE ACCORDING TO ELECTION SHALL MIGHT CONTINUE, NOT BECAUSE OF WORKS BUT BECAUSE OF HIS CALL. If you believe that God is not sovereign in everything, even over the human will, then you definitely must read it. No; the difference is that Calvinism recognizes a dimension of the saving love of God which Arminianism misses, namely God’s sovereignty in bringing to faith and keeping in faith all who are actually saved. He is not the author of sin, but only allows sin to occur for His ultimate purposes. As Jesus said in His high priestly prayer: “I am praying for them. I do know of the scriptures you referenced..but I also know where God said ‘I wished that none would perish” and ” whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved!” and ” Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.’ Seems to me that’s a decision! Ok, I have my Bible and I am ready to go. Praise be to our Sovereign King! (Romans 9:11-24). The issue is not whether anyone thinks Calvinists have perverted the word sovereign or not, but whether Scripture actually teaches if God controls everything or not. Inasmuch as it is logically silly and ridiculous to believe that God would create the world as a giant puppet show in which he controls everything (there would be no point) these statements obviously must be viewed as poetic hyperbole. Sproul. They all denote inability with words like: Bondage, slavery, cannot understand, does not seek, cannot come unto Me, blinded, dead in sin etc…, You said, “God has “libertarian free will.” Sin did not remove our free will.”. Scripture will not tolerate any view of God’s sovereign control that diminishes human responsibility. they must be a member of a type that you don’t love. As if God did not establish the condition in which he wills What does it mean to say that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ? To say there is no God, or that God does not care or stands helpless on the sidelines, leads to fatalism and despair.’, -You started to develop a good argument, but lost it here. By no means! R.C. God never blesses the wicked and whatever they receive is only to their own destruction. God does not rescue us from the 'facts of life.' And again, thank you for the cordial discussion! Holy I am certain that this is a definite misreading of the teachings of historic Calvinism. When we come face-to-face with the problems, disasters, and tragedies of life, we need to remember God IS in control. Title: Does God Control Everything? He says; ‘Stay faithful to the covenant life’, but doesn’t usually hit us over the head with a sledgehammer when we don’t. “At no point whatsoever does the remarkable emphasis on the absoluteness of God’s sovereignty mitigate the responsibility of human beings who, like everything else in the universe, fall under God’s sway. Do you feel that they may be offering explanations worth considering? etc, read the Bible folks not some fairy tale about Dummy the Playdough. Further, we know that there is a water cycle. Click to access Schreiner%2C%20Thomas%20-%20Corporate%20and%20Individual%20Elect.pdf, Click to access Schreiner%2C%20Thomas%20-%20Corporate%20and%20Individual%20Elect.pdf. We were all actively rebelling against God and dead in our sins. As Christians, we need to be reminded that everything that happens to us in our life is allowed by God. “He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. The mind of the flesh cannot submit itself to God (Romans 8:7-8). Faith, we know from numerous texts is how we are saved, but as Eph. Hmm. Segment 1 (0:00) – God is in control of everything and allows everything that happens, including calamities. 6:37-40; 17:6, 11f. 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? Calamity is not sin but just a thing that God is allowing in our life for our good. I have planned it, surely I will do it” (Isaiah 46:8-11). And if you cannot sin in heaven (because you are free from sin, hence truly free) does that mean God is limiting you and not being loving to you? Merry Christmas! God would be unjust if he punished for the same crime twice. Arminians praise God for providing a Savior to whom all may come for life; Calvinists do that too, and then go on to praise God for actually bringing them to the Savior’s feet. Addresses the Possible Imbalance in our Understanding of God Between Holy and Familiar. (something I’m not sensing on this blog!). Jesus says, “Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? We are dead in our sin, rebellious towards God, enslaved to ourselves. It does not mention there that God control everything. 1: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. 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