phrases, and frequent expressions in their writings, which Imagine a person being set free from prison and committing a crime after he was released, what would happen to that person. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God By the house of God is either meant the temple at Jerusalem, which is often so called, because it was built for God, and where were the symbol of his presence, and his worship; and now the time was come, or at hand, that God would begin at his … trouble and distress; for as it was necessary the Gospel should In the beginning, the New Testament church only had to worry about persecution from religious folk. Grace and peace. Yet even now God offers every one of us a choice. In the original Greek this word is krima which means decision or decree. of which God is the author, and which contains things relating to Peter knew from personal experience what it was like to run from Jesus and he didn’t want his readers doing that. This is why Peter urges them to continue doing good, even in the face of persecution (4:17). . He means if a person should decide he doesn’t want to live without God the way he’s seen his parents live then that person will be forgiven and not held in some bondage because his father put him there. If you are angry, I’ll go join the army and put it to use. God is behind these bad things, but don’t worry because far worse things are going to happen to sinners.” They may try and pass this off as “good news” by saying it’s better to suffer a little wrath now than hellfire later. Jesus said two things about judgment that are relevant here: For God sent not the Son into the world to judge (krino) the world… (John 3:17a, ASV), For judgment (krima) I have come into this world… (John 9:39). That’s quite an oversight! lol I really do thugh. They will refer to patterns of judgment in the Old Testament but make no mention of the cross. You have to stretch and speculate to arrive at your conclusion. I choose to believe that God condemned ALL sin – including yours, mine, and Ananias and Sapphira’s – in the flesh (ie: in Jesus), just as the Bible declares (Rom 8:3). There are also numerous verses that clearly show that repentance and a confession of faith are required to receive what was accomplished in the cross. Oh well I tried. Eternal judgment? 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit to be obedient to Jesus Christ and to be sprinkled with his blood: May grace and peace be yours in abundance. The Hyper-Grace Gospel The parable in a nutshell shows the Gentiles receiving the promise of Abraham and how many sons of Abraham i.e. to its ordinances, and rejected Christ, the Saviour, the sum and Choose. It’s not “specious” to say that if by one man Adam got us all condemned and by one Man Christ only some us will be saved then Adam and Satan did a greater work than God. If Jesus said he would not judge even the lost (Jn 12:47), why would he judge those he has redeemed and are now reckoned perfect? v.16. “It 3 will not leave even a root or branch. ___________. 1Pe 4:19 of God To ‘hell’ something is to bury it in a hole or pit, out of sight.”. Thanks for availing yourself to Jesus and for revealing to million of people the hyper grace of Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 1 - Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Would he not be unjust if he punished twice for the same offence. Been to Pentecostal, Baptist, Charismatic, non-denom etc. Oddly God never mentioned an everlasting torment when he kicked Adam out of the Garden. Learn how your comment data is processed. I argued with this topic a few weeks ago. I used to believe in the doctrine of Hell thankfully no more. Romans 5:18 only means that it is available for all people, not that all people will receive what’s available. If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. eternal vengeance in flames of fire. Good Stewards of God’s Grace. If He’s the Savior, listen to Him. What makes you stumble is your choice, the exercise of your will, to act in a way not in alignment with Christ. Jesus didn’t share your uncertainty about hell. There are numerous other verses supporting it as well. 1 Peter 5:8 Parallel Verses [⇓ See commentary ⇓] 1 Peter 5:8, NIV: "Be alert and of sober mind.Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." On the other hand they believe that IF faith is required in order to be saved, then God will give us that faith, no… force that faith onto us. I believe all sin was dealt with on the cross. Proverbs 14:12 NIV “There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.”, paul is teaching the gospel of grace… that offers salvation to all people and teaches us to say no to ungodliness and worldly passions, so that we will live sober, righteous and godly lives in the here and now (titus 2:11-12) Peter said “Christ died for sins once for all” (1 Pet 3:18). Diane. The Gospel in Twenty Questions It is impossible for your eye to make you stumble. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Is Peter saying Christians can lose their salvation? How do we reconcile this with the truth of eternal security? We are exhorted to preach the message of reconciliation. I love the idea of nobody being lost – I really do – after all, it’s God’s will that none should perish. 1 Peter 4 ; 1PET 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 1PET 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. I propose that God never stops loving any of us (believer or unbeliever), even after death. Must have been quite a shock to most everyone there except the Lord of course. Whosoever wants to drink of jesus ( the many) , will be saved but whosoever wants to follow in Adams steps ( the many) he can do that too. In the words of Spurgeon, “if he has loved you once he will love you forever.”. I like the article very much and also the latter discussion about Universalism. him; as the grace of God, the righteousness of God, peace with Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. We have been forgiven.” I don’t consider myself a “universalist” but the above quote from your reply backs up what I believe. You will no doubt disagree, but the evidence of scripture is squarely in the “tormented day and night forever” camp (Rev 20:10-15). The key to understanding 1 Peter 4:17 is the word judgment. He even had to to tell His own disciples what they meant because they themselves weren’t sure. They will use words like purification and discipline but what they really mean is condemnation and wrath. Try harder to be a better Christian. So your theory of “You had to have sat for years and years under this teaching to begin interpreting scripture this way. ), Submission doesn’t Mean what you Think it Means, 6 Awesome Things that will Happen when Christ Returns. There’s no way around it. them, but they disbelieved the doctrines of it, and submitted not May I say, you may get away with Christ, but not the law or the prison cells. God did not force Adam and Eve to love Him; He let them choose. If it is, God is unjust in judging the same sin twice and he didn’t kill A&S. Truth is your books are not here. 6 Some were told … Many are still part of the original sin but still have life. (3) Don’t let these trials cause you to be ashamed – it’s actually a blessing to be insulted on account of Christ’s name (4:14,16). I have a doubt on eternal security I need you to help dissolve. What do you make of some of the things Jesus talks about in Revelation 2-3 to New Testament Churches living in the New Covenant? The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men but unless you receive it by faith it will be of no effect to you. If a pastor stumbles in sin and his church splits, it’s God judging his house. They support this by very cleverly devising Gal 2:20 from the King James Version which talks about “living by the faith of God”. The first times of More works of course! Jews, who seem chiefly designed, here; it was first preached to And I can even boast because the bible isn’t primarily concerned with our sin, though we must be against it, but with getting what Jesus paid for – a relationship with Abba Father. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. (not that I doubt that as truth for a second). You can find an article on that scripture in the Archives>Scripture Index. Look I believed in Hell for most of my life. a time, and even as it were for a moment, for a little while; and I like this. Time is short. What about Phil. I mean’t Acts 17:30-31, sorry. God? That’s good news. However, I can’t quite work out what this judgement looks like, if it is not the re-trying of sin which has already been paid for. What you describe Lou typically translates into a license to sin. which is often so called, because it was built for God, and where us Christians, who believe in Christ, have embraced his Gospel, 1) John 9:39 “for judgment I came into the world…’ Don’t you think Jesus could have essentially been saying that His mission in coming to earth was to RECEIVE judgement – namely the judgement due the human race? Whether it is Ananias and Sapphira, King Herod, or even when Paul commanding blindness in Bar-jesus. We all have the same choice. Sir, even though I hardly comment, I’m addicted to your blog– E2R and I’m blessed by it. You are attempting to make an assertation based on what is not there. 3 You have already spent enough time in doing what … And so they say bad things about you. That’s why God wants us to tell everyone so they can call Him Father and live that “abundant life” Christ promised. He died for all sin. 1 Peter 4:10 f. supplement the foregoing directions for the inner life of the Church and rest partly on Romans 12:6 (with simpler classification of gifts), partly on the conception of disciples as stewards (Luke 12:42) serving out rations in God’s house.—, in the widest sense (as in Acts 6:1; Acts 6:4; 1 Corinthians 12:5) in … The First of Peter. Christ universal victory is freely available to all, but they have to accept and embrace it. building, where he dwells, and grants his gracious presence, and Philadelphia has been on my to-do list for about a year. At first glance thought the judge was Cornel in a wig. Eternal separation in and of itself IS hell, whether you use a lower case or upper case h/H. And lo and behold it felt like a veil was ripped and I could see clearly. I agree that hell is not part of the gospel. Some will fall in adoration; others may fall in terror. He wants to go into all of the world to announce the Good News! You also need to do some pretty good gymnastics with certain scriptures to make them “fit” with this view.” like the belief in eternal damnation is far from the truth. Not everyone sees Jesus as Lord; one day they will. I was wondering what thoughts people may have as to why He said what He did here. The good news is not “you’re going to hell;” the good news is that Jesus died so that you don’t have to. Story of ananias and sapphira really bothers me. And if judgment begins with us, what terrible fate awaits those who have never obeyed God’s Good News? Quotations designated (NIV) are from THE HOLY BIBLE: NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®. Not on purpose I’m sure. Is it that the writer is talking about unbelievers? Copyright Policy So the argument that God will force salvation onto everybody does not hold water – if God’s grace will override mankind’s rebellion in the spiritual dimension, why doesn’t He step in right now and put an end to all the suffering in the natural realm as well? Lou, the parable doesn’t make any distinction about gentiles or Jews. By the house of God is either meant the temple at Jerusalem, world to come, which will have no end: and if [it] first begin at us; It is quite possible that there are aspects of life that we may put too much value on and other parts we do not want to accept. Parables are to be read with the Spirit. This is Hades – unseen, the unknown realm.The English word from Anglo-Saxon ‘hillan’ or ‘helan’ means a cavern, a concealed or unseen place. I like this site, because we are asked to share what “we think”, rather than what god is saying. Think about this why is it do you think, that the sheep did not recognize each other and not know they had helped another brother, would it not have been obvious by that brothers behavior he was a brother? Posted on February 24, 2011 by Paul Ellis // 63 Comments, For it is time for judgment to begin with the house of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? sins; and then what is begun in love at the house of God, will The ‘a’ is a prefix meaning in English ‘un’ and the stem ‘id’ means to perceive. People would tell me this , but I could not wrap my head around it. I notice you don’t have any comments on Hebrews 13:4 in your scripture archive, and wondered which conclusion you come to about this verse? No worries. But things since escalated. ?” How can one who is saved and redeemed still be accursed if he preaches ‘any other gospel’ which I supposed is that he preaches law and be accursed? family of God: and by judgment is meant, not punishment for sin, So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good. If it isn’t, then Jesus is not the Savior and you should live in mortal fear. 1 Peter 4:18. What’s so Special about Christ’s Right Hand? Change ). You must choose. If a Woman Can’t be a Husband, She Can’t be a Pastor, Right? 2 But for you who respect my name, the sun of vindication 4 will rise with healing wings, 5 and you will skip … (1 Pet 4:17). In the original Greek this word is krima which means decision or decree. I could be wrong. Originally known as Simon (Greek), or Simeon (Hebrew); compare (Mark 1:16; John 1:40-41). (scriptures in parenthesis). If Judgment fell on Christ for everyone than how can folks still be lost in the end? Now the Rome itself was out to get them. It is my understanding only those who understand who the God of the Bible is, would be able to understand the mind of God and his word. It means He was well able,willing,and prepared to do whatever He had to. Jesus did a greater work because redemption leaves us far better off than Adam was before He fell. 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